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	<title>Comments on: Moral confusion at the Twin Cities Daily Planet</title>
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	<description>A tolerated heretic in the Minnesota DFL Party</description>
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		<title>By: Nachman</title>
		<link>http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/moral-confusion-at-the-twin-cities-daily-planet/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Nachman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahatma Gandhi&#039;s &quot;An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind&quot; is an ignorant misreading of the Law as stated in Torah. Exodus 21:23 (Shemos 21:23, Parashas Mishpatim) states the general rule that punishment shall be in proportion to the offense. The Sages have understand the punishment to give monetary recompense to the aggrieved. Along with Leviticus 24:19-20 (Vayikra 24:19-20, Parasha Emor) and Deuteronomy 19:21 (Devarim 19:21, Parashas Shoftim), the general rule is also set down not to exact excessive punishment.

Your stated moral equivalence between the Jews and Hamas is abhorrent. It is the official policy of the Arab Islamists - noted in the Hamas covenant - that &quot;Israel will exist and will  continue  to  exist  until  Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it&quot; (Stated in Preamble). This is a statement of Muslim imperialism and aggressive war. I ask you: how do the Jews negotiate with people whose aim is to obliterate them?

You may resent all you want, the fact remains the Jews have a right to self-defense, you have constructed an equivalency between Israel and murderous Jew-haters, and the Israeli government is doing what is the primary duty of all liberal democracies: defend their people.

Which side are you on Mr. Fecke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahatma Gandhi&#8217;s &#8220;An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind&#8221; is an ignorant misreading of the Law as stated in Torah. Exodus 21:23 (Shemos 21:23, Parashas Mishpatim) states the general rule that punishment shall be in proportion to the offense. The Sages have understand the punishment to give monetary recompense to the aggrieved. Along with Leviticus 24:19-20 (Vayikra 24:19-20, Parasha Emor) and Deuteronomy 19:21 (Devarim 19:21, Parashas Shoftim), the general rule is also set down not to exact excessive punishment.</p>
<p>Your stated moral equivalence between the Jews and Hamas is abhorrent. It is the official policy of the Arab Islamists &#8211; noted in the Hamas covenant &#8211; that &#8220;Israel will exist and will  continue  to  exist  until  Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it&#8221; (Stated in Preamble). This is a statement of Muslim imperialism and aggressive war. I ask you: how do the Jews negotiate with people whose aim is to obliterate them?</p>
<p>You may resent all you want, the fact remains the Jews have a right to self-defense, you have constructed an equivalency between Israel and murderous Jew-haters, and the Israeli government is doing what is the primary duty of all liberal democracies: defend their people.</p>
<p>Which side are you on Mr. Fecke?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fecke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To date, the latest Hamas strikes into Israel have killed one civilian, and the latest Israeli offensive has killed ~400 civilians. Even if one believes in an eye for an eye (and I&#039;m with Gandhi on that one), the Israeli response has been disproportionate at a rate of 400:1.

My side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is with those on both sides who desire a lasting peace, with peaceful coexistence in a stable, two-state system. That&#039;s nether Hamas nor Kadima, and frankly, a pox on both their houses. Until Israelis and Palestinians of good conscience work together to stop the cycle of violence, Israel will not have stability and peace, and Palestine will not have a viable nation-state. 

Oh, and for what it&#039;s worth, I resent like hell your insinuation that I&#039;m somehow anti-Semitic because I don&#039;t believe that what the Israeli government is doing is in the best interests of Israelis. It is precisely because I want Israel to have a long, peaceful existence that I am challenging this. And I&#039;d demand you retract the statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To date, the latest Hamas strikes into Israel have killed one civilian, and the latest Israeli offensive has killed ~400 civilians. Even if one believes in an eye for an eye (and I&#8217;m with Gandhi on that one), the Israeli response has been disproportionate at a rate of 400:1.</p>
<p>My side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is with those on both sides who desire a lasting peace, with peaceful coexistence in a stable, two-state system. That&#8217;s nether Hamas nor Kadima, and frankly, a pox on both their houses. Until Israelis and Palestinians of good conscience work together to stop the cycle of violence, Israel will not have stability and peace, and Palestine will not have a viable nation-state. </p>
<p>Oh, and for what it&#8217;s worth, I resent like hell your insinuation that I&#8217;m somehow anti-Semitic because I don&#8217;t believe that what the Israeli government is doing is in the best interests of Israelis. It is precisely because I want Israel to have a long, peaceful existence that I am challenging this. And I&#8217;d demand you retract the statement.</p>
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