Comments on: Anarchists, a Minneapolis non-profit, and embedded threats. http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/ A tolerated heretic in the Minnesota DFL Party Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:13:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Puddnhead http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-438 Puddnhead Thu, 31 May 2007 05:58:01 +0000 http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-438 <strong>Editor's note</strong>: abusive post deleted. Editor’s note: abusive post deleted.

]]> By: Smandung http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-437 Smandung Thu, 31 May 2007 04:22:47 +0000 http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-437 Anarchist was not allowed in democtratic country... http://ngadutrafik2007.smandung.com Anarchist was not allowed in democtratic country…

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]]> By: Nachman http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-436 Nachman Wed, 30 May 2007 22:35:59 +0000 http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-436 This is not a “debate about immigration raids”. A group issued a statement making an implied threat against law enforcement officers. You may wish to rationalize all that you want, however, the question remains: whether, as a non-profit, the RCTA concurs with Miss Guillen-Givins, or gave her permission to use their resources. For the RCTA, it is a question of liability. For Miss Guillen-Givens, it is a question of issuing threats and using the software or resources of others to issue such threats. The definition of slander is “making a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation”. Because my post is in written form, you should have stated that I was “just interested in libelling individuals”. Libel is a “published false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation; a written defamation.” I assert the statement by the RNCWC exists as objective fact, it can be reasonably deduced the origin of the document was from the RCTA, and that truth is an absolute defense to libel. You state, Fellow Worker, that my sole purpose is in “slandering individuals”. You offer no objective proof that I have uttered a verbal falsehood about more than one person. This is not a “debate about immigration raids”. A group issued a statement making an implied threat against law enforcement officers. You may wish to rationalize all that you want, however, the question remains: whether, as a non-profit, the RCTA concurs with Miss Guillen-Givins, or gave her permission to use their resources. For the RCTA, it is a question of liability. For Miss Guillen-Givens, it is a question of issuing threats and using the software or resources of others to issue such threats.
The definition of slander is “making a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation”. Because my post is in written form, you should have stated that I was “just interested in libelling individuals”. Libel is a “published false statement that is damaging to a person’s reputation; a written defamation.” I assert the statement by the RNCWC exists as objective fact, it can be reasonably deduced the origin of the document was from the RCTA, and that truth is an absolute defense to libel.
You state, Fellow Worker, that my sole purpose is in “slandering individuals”. You offer no objective proof that I have uttered a verbal falsehood about more than one person.

]]> By: Puddnhead http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-435 Puddnhead Wed, 30 May 2007 16:44:59 +0000 http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-435 I'm not going to get into this blogosphere "debate" about immigration raids, but I do have a couple comments to make. That's very clever of you all to point out that Luce wrote this from a computer at work. But see, for most of us it's pretty clear who's claiming ownership for this, considering "The RNC Welcoming Committee" are the first four words of the statement. I think I can clear up this confusion for you by noting that: 1. The Welcoming Committee has no computers of its own, so stands to reason that whoever writes statements for it has to use somebody else's computer 2. It's really a lot easier to type on a keyboard when you do it one person at a time. Like, if 50 people from the Welcoming Committee each pick a key (somebody gets 'A', somebody gets '@', somebody gets , etc.), typing up a document like this would turn into a nightmare real quick. Given the above limitations, generally what happens when a group writes a statement is that the group formulates the points they want to make, one person is tasked to write the statement, and the group approves, amends, or rejects it. But of course you're just interested in slandering individuals. Well I'm a friend of Miss Guillen-Givins. Agree with her not, she has strong convictions and has busting her ass for a better world as long as I've known her. She obviously is not hip to the blogosphere's tricks for anonymizing your Microsoft Word Software, but in her defense I'd say she has more important work to do than read dumbass blogs all day. In any event, Luce is worth the lot of you and doesn't deserve any of your ridicule. Or maybe she's flattered by it, hell, I don't know. I’m not going to get into this blogosphere “debate” about immigration raids, but I do have a couple comments to make.

That’s very clever of you all to point out that Luce wrote this from a computer at work. But see, for most of us it’s pretty clear who’s claiming ownership for this, considering “The RNC Welcoming Committee” are the first four words of the statement. I think I can clear up this confusion for you by noting that:

1. The Welcoming Committee has no computers of its own, so stands to reason that whoever writes statements for it has to use somebody else’s computer
2. It’s really a lot easier to type on a keyboard when you do it one person at a time. Like, if 50 people from the Welcoming Committee each pick a key (somebody gets ‘A’, somebody gets ‘@’, somebody gets , etc.), typing up a document like this would turn into a nightmare real quick.

Given the above limitations, generally what happens when a group writes a statement is that the group formulates the points they want to make, one person is tasked to write the statement, and the group approves, amends, or rejects it.

But of course you’re just interested in slandering individuals. Well I’m a friend of Miss Guillen-Givins. Agree with her not, she has strong convictions and has busting her ass for a better world as long as I’ve known her. She obviously is not hip to the blogosphere’s tricks for anonymizing your Microsoft Word Software, but in her defense I’d say she has more important work to do than read dumbass blogs all day.

In any event, Luce is worth the lot of you and doesn’t deserve any of your ridicule. Or maybe she’s flattered by it, hell, I don’t know.

]]> By: megapotamus http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-434 megapotamus Wed, 30 May 2007 15:51:54 +0000 http://loyalopposition.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/anarchists-a-minneapolis-non-profit-and-embedded-threats/#comment-434 Being an Anarchist is, I agree, nothing to be ashamed of. If the term is properly understood and applied. The font of wisdom above is as ignorant of the philosophical foundations of Anarchy, as opposed to anarchy, as he is of rhetoric, manners or history. These would-be ninjas are the true practitioners of the fascistic tactics they claim to oppose. It is they who destroy what others create. But as others point out, they have neither the guts nor numbers nor skills to instigate the "Revolution" they claim is so necessary and perpetually ignorant. Oh, and on the "witch hunt" meme... there is no such thing as witches and never was. Commies? Oh yes. New Deal Commies? Oh yes. Murderous traitors in high places? Oh yes. And that is just a fact. Why a supposed Anarchist would be so solicitous of the greatest totalitarian menace of the modern age is... paradoxical. Being an Anarchist is, I agree, nothing to be ashamed of. If the term is properly understood and applied. The font of wisdom above is as ignorant of the philosophical foundations of Anarchy, as opposed to anarchy, as he is of rhetoric, manners or history. These would-be ninjas are the true practitioners of the fascistic tactics they claim to oppose. It is they who destroy what others create. But as others point out, they have neither the guts nor numbers nor skills to instigate the “Revolution” they claim is so necessary and perpetually ignorant. Oh, and on the “witch hunt” meme… there is no such thing as witches and never was. Commies? Oh yes. New Deal Commies? Oh yes. Murderous traitors in high places? Oh yes. And that is just a fact. Why a supposed Anarchist would be so solicitous of the greatest totalitarian menace of the modern age is… paradoxical.

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